Thank you very much for the C++ tutorials Bucky, I have been trying to get into this for years, I've read several books and thought ok... I get it but what now and lost interest for a while then something happens that sparks the interest again. Your tutorials have made more sense than the 3 big books I bought, and the c++ web sites I looked at. I still need to figure it out but this time I feel certain I'm going to get to that other end of the tunnel.